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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Parity incorrectly reported, and RTS/CTS problem on Solaris 7 for
Date: 26 Apr 2000 17:29:03 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
In article <390722AF.622DDDA0@yk.rim.or.jp>,
Ishikawa <ishikawa@yk.rim.or.jp> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: ...
: >So maybe the failures occur only in conjunction with 8-data-bits+parity,
: >which is a new feature of C-Kermit 7.0. Do you also get failures when
: >you don't also set hardware parity?
:
: I tried a few test without using hardware parity. Still no luck. CRTSCTS is
: not set in stty output of kermit-controlled tty port.
:
OK, good, now we know.
: Here is my take on why this problem was not noticed before
: by the many kermit users on Sun boxes, and if my guess is correct,
: the problem didn't harm many people at all.
:
: - Hardware flow-control is only necessary when
: CPU/OS is rather slow in comparison to the serial line speed.
: Thanks to the deep hardware FIFO queue in serial controller, and
: ever faster CPU...
:
Yes, that's true in one direction, but what about the other? When uploading
a file through a modem, the modem connection rather than the CPU is usually
the bottleneck, and so the modem will have to flow-control the computer. If
the computer does not cooperate, data is lost. This means:
a. SVR4-style hardware flow control works in Solaris in one direction but
not the other; or:
b. Kermit's dynamic packet sizing got around the errors, so nobody noticed
them; or:
c. Nobody has been using > 57600 bps serial speeds; or:
d. Nobody is reporting problems.
About (b)... Remember that Kermit is a pessimistic protocol. It assumes
the connection will be bad. So it has all kinds of features to accommodate
bad connections. One of these is automatic adaptation of the packet length
to the error rate.
: If my reading of the messages is correct, solaris up to 2.3 did
: set RTS/CTS using ATT SysV semantics.
: The first broken version of kermit for Solaris 2.4 for x86
: didn't suffer much since the OS itself doesn't seem to have
: support for 115200 bps at all.
:
So you have determined that SVR4 hwfc works in Solaris 2.3 and earlier?
I didn't see anything about this in yesterday's posting.
: PS: if we can return the failure code (-1) from
: the att sysV semantics functions(s) to higher level
: funtions, at least we can tell the user that something is woring by
: printing some meaningful messages.
:
Yes, I can take of this. It will be in the next release. But it won't
affect Solaris > 2.3, since this code won't be used there any more, right?
- Frank